Dit is… HEB JE ONTMOET mijn gast vandaag is een extreme atleet en avonturier. zijn prestaties omvatten drie wereldrecords: wandelen door Mongolië, Madagaskar en de op twee na langste rivier ter wereld: de 4000 mijl lange Yangtze-rivier in China. Hij is gepassioneerd in wat hij doet en is een enthousiaste verteller. hij deelt enkele van zijn talrijke nauwe ontmoetingen met de dood van wilde dieren en nog veel meer, waaronder zelfs het paranormale. HEB JE ONTMOET… ASH DYKES dus Ash, vertel me in het kort over je roots en over hoe en waarom je een avonturier bent geworden.

Ash: Oh, het is een lang antwoord, ben je er klaar voor, neem je tijd, neem je tijd , en zo oké, dus wauw wat voor soort achtergrond heeft me geleid naar het pad dat ik momenteel bewandel, weet je , ik zal het een keer opsplitsen beetje je weet dat ik uit Noord-Wales kom en aan de kust daar in het oude Corwin een heel slaperig slapend erg saai stadje eerlijk gezegd mooie omgeving je weet dat we aan zee zijn we hebben de bergen de meren de bossen maar er is een beetje een slaperige stad die je kent vol oude mensen en zo maar ik ging naar mijn plaatselijke middelbare school en dat was geweldig ik was meer geïnteresseerd in het sociale leven dan de goede cijfers halen uh ging naar de universiteit en deed een soort van tweejarige outdoor-avonturencursus outdoor-educatiecursus die geweldig was, maar het was deze cursus, ik denk dat dat een beetje de katalysator was voor het avonturenrijk, weet je, het voelde alsof ik mijn niche en mijn passie voor avontuur had gevonden, maar niet alleen dat ik het allerbelangrijkste vind, ik ontdekte dat ik een familielid was esthetische leerling je kent een soort van leren van praktische praktische ervaring en het was die cursus die me deed besluiten dat je weet dat ik niet het gebruikelijke pad van de universiteit wil nemen ik wil proberen mezelf te ontwikkelen en te groeien door meer soortgelijke ervaringen Ik had het wilde idee om de wereld rond te reizen en verschillende culturen en tradities te ontdekken en vertrouwd te raken met mezelf en mezelf te testen in bepaalde scenario's, maar ik was 16.

Je weet dat ik 16 was op 17 nam ik rijlessen ik werkte in een fish and chips-winkel en ik dacht gewoon hoe weet ik dat je de wereld over reist en ik brak gewoon mijn doelen naar beneden ik werkte meerdere banen ik werd badmeester ik verkocht mijn auto ik kocht ikzelf een duwfiets ik ontmoette een vriend die met me mee op reis wilde we waren gewoon 240 uur per maand aan het werk, zoals gedisciplineerd blijven en de nachten wegsnijden onszelf niet echt trakteren en uiteindelijk weet je leeftijd 19 we um w Ik heb vier reizen achtergelaten, de eerste plaats was China. Ik moet ook vermelden dat we, voordat we vertrokken, in onszelf wilden investeren omdat veel mensen ter plaatse zeiden dat je weet dat het allemaal goed is om te reizen, maar je geld raakt op en je zult gedwongen zijn om terug naar huis te komen terwijl mijn vrienden door zouden zijn gegaan met hun universitaire diploma, misschien werk hebben gevonden en je weet dat ik terug bij af zou zijn geweest, dus ik investeerde in mezelf op het gebied van duiken en bouwde mezelf op tot een niveau waarbij wanneer ik ben op reis ik moet werk vinden als duiker zodat ik gaandeweg mijn geld kan opwaarderen en dat deden we dat we alle doelen en kleine vakjes afvinkten die we op deze grote soort mindmap hadden opgesteld een stuk papier en we vertrokken op 19-jarige leeftijd en toen begon het echt wild en avontuurlijk te worden vanaf daar wow dus die eerste expeditie op 90-jarige leeftijd was zoals je zei het is China, maar waar en wat was precies het plan daarvoor hoe lang duurde je gaat voor zover je kon ned yeah dus je weet toen ik oorspronkelijk vertrok om op reis te gaan ik had een groot vierjarenplan om letterlijk de wereld rond te reizen en een duiker te worden en een soort van soort seizoenen te volgen ik was geïnteresseerd in het krijgen van mijn snowboard- of skileraarcursus ook uh brevet zodat ik een duiker kan zijn in het land waar je weet dat het heet is en wanneer de zon is wanneer het skiseizoen voorbij is en dan kan ik een skileraar zijn weet je in Canada waar en soort van volg de seizoenen op die manier maar ik ging op reis en je weet dat ik in China was, ik was het en mijn vriend en je weet dat het een geweldige tijd was dat we de grote muur aan het wandelen waren, een soort van genieten van de lokale cultuur en zo maar het was maar een paar weken in die zin dat we ontdekten dat we ons erg op de gebaande paden bevonden en dit is niet wat we wilden voor reizen weet je, ik zou een beetje kijken, ik hoor min of meer de verhalen van andere mensen en mensen die eerder op reis waren gegaan en je kent de verhalen van mijn opa denk ik hij was een absolute wild man je weet dat hij hier woonde ja hij is hij is een zeer arme man zeer goed opgeleide man maar zeer arm hij overschreed zijn visum hij woonde 21 jaar in pakistan en op dit moment is hij halverwege de 70 en hij woont in jaipur in india en dus hij zou heen en weer komen en me wilde verhalen vertellen en je kent zelfs documentaires zoals de david attenborough show waar je het niet van de tv wilt zien je er tussen wilt zijn en dus dat was mijn idee van reizen, maar wanneer ik ging weg en ik was in China dat was niet wat het was weet je ik deelde dezelfde foto's als elke andere toerist ik deelde dezelfde verhalen dezelfde ervaringen we zaten in een klein shuttlebusje op weg naar de grote muur die leek op een heel mooi versierd deel van de muur ik wilde het oude deel zien je kent het ongerepte waar er geen andere toeristen zijn um je weet dat het geweldig was om de toeristen te ontmoeten want je weet dat ik vrienden voor het leven heb gemaakt en je ontmoet mensen van over de hele wereld dat was de pro dat was het voordeel maar dat is niet waarom ik wegging ik wilde de lokale bevolking ontmoeten je weet hun manier van leven leren kennen en dus het was maar twee twee tot drie weken in china voordat we eindigden we scharrelden alleen het oppervlak op weet je alleen de oostkust daar China is een enorme plaats Ik herinner me dat ik ze gewoon aanraakte alsof we niet echt reisden China deed dat niet, maar we gingen toen naar Cambodja en je weet dat we de valuta hebben verprutst en we hadden veel meer uitgegeven geld dan verwacht en we zitten erop we hebben een klein budget voor de Major League en ik en mijn vriend Matt we waren aan het mokken we zaten te zeuren op de Mekong rivier hoe hebben we dit verkeerd gedaan we hebben zoveel uitgegeven geld en we zijn nog maar vier weken bezig met reizen en we willen vier jaar reizen en ik herinner me dat ik daar zat te denken Jezus hoe hebben we dat gedaan en toen zei ik zoals kijk we hebben niet eens iets avontuurlijks gedaan ja we hebben verwachtte een grote muur van china maar met honderd toeristen dus dat was niet echt anders huur en ik zei wat kunnen we doen, weet je, we blijven dit soort gekke culturen op het vasteland krijgen en delen buzz met iedereen ik heb zoiets van laten we iets anders doen weet je laten we gaan want vanwege het budget weet je laten we een belachelijke fiets kopen dat we bijna kunnen kopen en uh en laten we fietsen laten we stoppen met de bus laten we fietsen door Cambodja ik ben in thailand naar Vietnam en ik meende je weet dat ik serieus was toen ik het zei en Matt was alsof hij begon te lachen en te zeggen als oh welke fietsen en ik vergeet dit nooit, maar het zit zo in mijn hoofd dat we net dit gierende geluid hoorden het was perfect zoals hij zei je weet wat voor soort fiets we net zeiden gierende vreselijke soort belachelijke geluiden zoals een rustiek geluid en hoe dan ook liep echt en daar fietste een kleine, magere, tengere oude dame op dit dit het stuur ze fietste op deze belachelijke fiets en het zag eruit alsof we het ons konden veroorloven en ik zei kijk laten we eens kijken o van die fietsen weet je ik weet het niet, laten we er twee nemen en eens kijken wat er gebeurt en het begon als een klein grapje, eh, ik meende het serieus, maar ik dacht niet dat we zoiets zouden krijgen belachelijke fietsen maar wisten we dat een paar uur later we deze fiets hadden ik noemde mijn oudste omdat het net een kleine oude damesfiets was mijn vriend noemde zijn stip en eh ze hadden geen versnellingen ze hadden geen vering een beetje harde stoel ze hadden als een kleine roze bel het stuur was niet recht op de muren maar ze waren zo weggestopt we namen geen pomp we hadden geen bandenreparatieset we hadden een vijf pond niet-waterdichte tent en we vonden touwtje aan de kant van de weg waarmee we onze rugzak achterop de fiets vastmaakten en dat was het geen kaart geen technologie alleen een camera en we stonden op het punt om meer dan 113 mijl helemaal naar Vietnam te fietsen en helemaal naar het noorden van Vietnam naar naar hanoi um en we wisten het en dit was volgens mij de werkelijke katalysator voor de avontuurlijke l als we werden achtervolgd door honden we werden aangereden door bromfietsen we werden ontweken door vrachtwagens de fietsen gingen ongeveer 17 keer kapot totdat je weet dat het geen plattelandsfietsen waren ze waren klein om de oude dame van haar huis naar haar werk te brengen, wat ongeveer anderhalve kilometer was weg waren ze niet gemaakt voor meer dan duizend mijl en de lokale bevolking was geweldig, hoewel je weet dat ze ons echt hebben geholpen en de fietsen hebben gerepareerd en je weet dat we net zo'n mega-ervaring hadden dat het ons meer dan twee en een halve week kostte en tegen die tijd we hebben het gehaald we waren uitgeput omdat we in hanoi kwamen ik denk dat het ons kostte ik was meer dan 45 uur wakker ik denk dat het een visumkwestie was waar we de hele dag de hele nacht door fietsten de volgende dag, in ongeveer 40 graden Celsius, had de muggenspray van de nacht zich gedurende de dag vermengd met de zonnebrandcrème en onze huid blauw geworden, we leefden van noedels, dus we waren erg mager, maar geen goed dieet en je weet dat ons haar uitstak we er zaten vliegen in en ik herinner het me? 39 uur achter elkaar fietsen en toen we eindelijk aankwamen werden we afgewezen door zeven pensions en hostels omdat we er belachelijk uitzagen we zagen eruit alsof we aan de drugs waren dus de lokale bevolking was alsof je niet je weet dat je hier niet verblijft, maar dan weet je dat we een plek hebben gevonden waar we sliepen en dat was een enorm hoogtepunt en ik herinner me op dat moment dat ik dacht dat was geweldig je weet dat ik het wil ik wil doorgaan met deze avonturen wow dat is wild ja zoals duizend mijl op een legitiem goedkope budgetfiets ja 10 pond het kostte ons 10 pond voor die fietsen goede prijs-kwaliteitverhouding om te reizen ja precies heel goed dus je zit in je hostel met je buddy en je denkt dat ik daar dol op ben hoe heb je zoals waar ben je daar naartoe gegaan hoe wilde je meteen in iets anders beginnen waar vind je het leuk oke we moeten even chillen zoals op een strand wat was het wat was het denkproces dan ja we waren zoals ik altijd had dit visioen, je weet dat ik het was ike oh kun je me herinneren dat ik tegen mijn vriend zei, kun je je voorstellen dat je aan het einde van je leven een soort wereldkaart in je woonkamer hebt en je hebt deze lijnen waar je door deze landen bent gelopen of gefietst of gezeild over deze oceaan weet je en misschien weet ik het niet misschien heeft die chat iets gedaan, maar op dit moment heb ik in mijn slaapkamer een kaart en er zijn overal lijnen die je al kent en ik heb nog een lange en veel tijd over maar op dat moment herinner ik me dat ik dacht dat je weet wat we hierna kunnen doen en vanaf daar gingen we naar Thailand en we zijn eigenlijk in Noord-Thailand, gewoon een soort van haasten door de jungle, helemaal ten noorden van Pai, wat een beetje noordwestelijk is.

Herinner me dat ik een lokale man zag met een machete en een bandana hij was een beetje als een Thaise rambo en hij kwam naar ons toe en zijn Engels was in orde ik herinner me hem net alsof ik zei dat je je in deze delen van de jungle waagde en we waren zoals nee, hij zei dat hij iets doet waar hij ons naar een Birmese hil kan brengen Ik stam waar we de grens overstaken en we hadden het gevoel dat we geen visum hadden en hij was alsof dat prima was over de grens.

Dit was in 2010 je weet toen mijn winkelcentrum werd gesloten voor alle westerlingen en hij zegt dat we de grens zullen oversteken grens we wagen ons meer en we kunnen het leuk vinden om te leren overleven van een Birmese bergstam en meteen had ik zoiets van wow, dat zou eh zijn en je weet dat veel mensen niet zouden vertrouwen dat je een willekeurige Thaise man kent met een machete die hem uitnodigde naar de jungle, maar ik en mijn vriend, we weten dat we bereid waren om mee te doen, riskeerden niets homo niets goed dus we hadden zoiets van oké laten we dit proberen en het was een ongelooflijke ervaring weet je we gingen voor een wandeling we zijn de grens overgestoken we waren in myanmar we verbleven een paar nachten bij een uh Birmese bergstam en ze leerden ons hoe we onderdak konden bouwen met natuurlijke hulpbronnen hoe vlotten te bouwen hoe te jagen en soort bessen te verzamelen die fungeren als een muggenspray en alle dingen waar bamboe voor gebruikt kan worden of wat ongelooflijk veel is, in feite houdt de Thaise man die ons meenam zo veel van bamboe dat hij zijn zoon bamboe noemde ja, het is zijn favoriete plant en je weet dat het gewoon een ongelooflijke ervaring was en dat was weer een avontuur dat mijn passie voor deze dingen doen, dus het ging niet per se over fietslanden of wandellanden, het ging meer om de ervaringen met de lokale bevolking en echt genieten van de lokale cultuur en hun manier van leven waar ik echt door gefascineerd was ja is het veranderd hoe je kijk een beetje naar de wereld zoals al deze verschillende culturen en talen en mensen en je kent verschillende verschillende tradities die je bent tegengekomen je weet dat het je echt in staat moet stellen om de dingen anders te zien ja dat doet het en je weet wat het is het is zo opwindend omdat ik niet veel mensen ken, zeggen veel mensen dat de wereld een kleine plaats is en je weet dat iedereen nu overal is geweest, maar ik ontdekte dat hoe meer ik heb gereisd, hoe meer ik me realiseerde dat je het weet het is een grote plaats en er is veel diversiteit weet je ik denk dat ze alleen zeggen dat het een kleine plaats is omdat ze je op het gebruikelijke spoor zijn je weet dat ze nog steeds in die minibus zitten die de grote muur in china gaat zien terwijl je hebt het jij, wat geweldig is, ik spot daar niet mee, maar je moet van dat pad af en dan zul je schrikken van hoe mooi en groot en ook heel weinig gereisd, ik denk dat sommige delen van de wereld zijn en ik hou er gewoon van om de lokale bevolking te ontmoeten en daar gewoon te zien je weet overal waar ik ben geweest van Madagaskar naar Mongolië uh je weet naar West China ze leven gewoon een heel ander leven dan toen ik nog jong was avonturen aan de mensen die ik tegenkwam in Vietnam Cambodja en meer kocht het is gewoon uh dat is een mooie wereld en ik hou ervan ja geweldig um dus je was je begon en je was in china je deed cambodja je was er dol op je was houden van de levensstijl die je wilde blijven doen, um in weddenschap toen dat en ik denk dat Mongolië de eerste was van je drie soorten grote grotere expedities daartussenin en Mongolië zoals hoeveel tijd verstreek en heb je ooit getwijfeld aan wat je wilde doen heb je ooit gedacht oh misschien moet ik dit gaan doen in plaats daarvan of was het gewoon altijd nu dit is dit is mijn leven daar wil ik over gaan ja weet je ik heb altijd van die vietnam cyclus ik zou altijd avontuur willen opnemen maar op dat moment wist ik nooit dat het mogelijk was om te verdienen geld door avontuur dus op dat moment was het gewoon een soort van in mijn gedachten ik was een beetje blij om het leven te leiden als een arme man, maar weet je, rondreizen en deze ervaringen creëren voor mij het ging meer om de levensstijl dan om het geld, maar toen je weet dat ik als fruitplukker in Australië werkte en je weet dat ik voor een klein bedrag werkte en je weet dat nadat Australië de Himalaya's had gevolgd, wat weer een geweldige ervaring was, ik me realiseerde dat mijn geld bijna op was en ik zou hebben om zich op beter te concentreren middelen van werk en je weet dat dat me naar thailand bracht en ik werd een duikinstructeur voor de volgende twee jaar en zelfs het geld dat er was, het was niet geweldig je weet dat ik altijd de centen aan het tellen was, dus terwijl ik dit avontuurlijk wilde leven levensstijl ik wist niet hoe lang ik het zou kunnen leven en natuurlijk wist ik niet eens van de mogelijkheid om een ​​avonturier te worden en op deze manier geld te verdienen dat was niet uh ik had een beetje de neiging dat het kon gebeuren, maar ik had niet gedacht dat het iemand als ik zou kunnen overkomen weet je ik kom uit zo'n heel normale achtergrond ik heb geen militaire ervaring ik kom niet uit een financiële achtergrond ik heb niet eens naar de universiteit gegaan en ik denk dat de avonturenindustrie echt hard is getroffen door je kent een soort van chique jongens die expedities leiden of deelnemen aan een expeditie omdat ze dat extra geld hebben en zo en ik dacht dat zij dat waren, ik ben het niet, dus ik zal' ik kan dat soort dingen niet doen, ja en dat is wat ik vind het leuk aan jou, weet hoe organisch het gebeurde, echt, je weet dat ik heel hard moest werken en zelfs in Thailand was dat duiken niet veel geld, weet je, dat zou ik doen, ik zou de lokale bevolking bevechten in de krijgskunst van muay thai om te betalen om mijn vrienden te betalen je weet dat als je een gevecht verliest ik zeg dat je met niets naar huis gaat maar als je wint is het waarschijnlijk genoeg om twee of drie maanden huur te betalen omdat het zo goedkoop is hoe vaak heb je het betaald gekregen want hoe vaak heb je gewonnen ik heb het een paar keer gekregen ik heb eigenlijk nooit een stadion- of clubgevecht verloren uh echt, maar ik verloor wel spa's weet je omdat ze je tegen mensen zouden zetten die het al veel langer doen je krijgt een pak slaag um en dus kreeg ik het een aantal keer betaald en waarschijnlijk genoeg om me een goede zeven acht maanden aan betaling van de huur te laten betalen ja en dus dat was goed en en het was leuk en ik heb ervan genoten om eerlijk te zijn, dat is het niet alsof ik het moest doen um maar het deed het deed er toe ik herinner me net als mijn loon als duiker een en gewoon kijken of ik genoeg geld had om naar het volgende eiland te gaan en een soort van het volle maanfeest te vieren, weet je, en ik herinner me gewoon dat ik niet zo wilde zijn, ik was alsof dit goed is voor nu, maar ik besef dat ik niet op dat pad wil zijn waar ik het beknibbel alleen maar omdat ik van avontuur houd, dus ik moest de zakelijke geest op mijn uh je weet wel op mijn schouders zetten en denken hoe hoe kunnen we hoe kunnen we dit doen wat anders opties zijn er, maar ja ik nog steeds zelfs op dat moment wist ik dat het toen een mogelijkheid was dat je er geld mee kon verdienen ik wist gewoon niet hoe ik het zou aanpakken tot ja wat een geschenk dat voor jou moet hebben gevoeld je weet dat als je iets hebt gevonden dat je passie je hobby is en je weet iets wat je graag met je tijd doet en dan wanneer je je een beetje realiseert oh eigenlijk denk ik dat ik hiervoor betaald kan worden, dat is zo'n cool moment ja precies en het gebeurde ook op de juiste leeftijd, want dat weet je als ik begin 30 was of begin 40 en toen realiseerde ik me dat je weet dat ik hiervoor betaald kan worden ik zou er op zijn minst een paar goede jaren voor moeten doen om er niets mee te verdienen om die ervaring op te bouwen weet je dat is prima je weet dat het nee is dat ben je nooit te laat om te beginnen, maar op dat moment denk ik dat ik de jeugd aan mijn zijde had, je weet dat ik pas 22 was toen ik Mongolië begon te plannen en dus ik had niet in mijn gedachten dat ik niet de hele setteling had en weet je veel geld verdienen en pensioenplannen dat voor mij niets was, want je hebt nooit gegarandeerd dat morgen ik leefde voor het nu en kleine stappen plande om me in de toekomst te helpen um maar ik dacht minstens een decennium vanaf daar en dus ja ja leeftijd hielp zeker om op 19 te vertrekken in plaats van de hele universitaire route voor mij het is geweldig voor de meeste geweldig voor veel, maar ik heb gewoon het gevoel dat we allemaal op verschillende manieren leren Ik denk dat het afhangt ja van hoe je leert en wat je wilt doen als nou, als je dokter of advocaat wilt worden, ga dan natuurlijk naar un ja maar als je niet echt zeker weet wat je wilt doen of als je iets wilt doen waarvan je weet dat het creatiever is of meer zoals je weet avontuur of iets met youtube wat het ook gaat worden, je hebt het niet nodig, of wel ja, dat zal het zijn, voor sommige mensen zou het een verspilling van tijd en geld kunnen zijn ja ja um maar ja ja dus jij dus je ging niet dus je besloot om de wereld rond te reizen in plaats daarvan ik soort van ja het is niet slecht ja ja dus de drie grote expedities, als ik het zo mag noemen, want het klinkt alsof Cambodja behoorlijk groot was en ik weet zeker dat er weer heel veel andere zijn, maar ben je het ermee eens dat Mongolië Madagaskar en de Yangtze of de drie de Yangtze-rivier in china ja zeker ja het waren wereldrecords dus ze verkleinden de eerste wereld primeurs ja dus ze verkleinden het vorige soort vroege avonturen um ook al waren ze zo geweldig en eigenlijk zonder hen zou ik deze drie records niet hebben behaald maar ja deze waren zeker mijn grootste drie ja ja oke geweldig ik bedoel ik denk niet dat we tijd hebben om ze allemaal afzonderlijk te bespreken en graag in detail gaan zoals we zouden kunnen zeggen voor 10 uur en erover praten ja maar laten we beginnen met wat het moeilijkst was van de drie zoals waarom en en ik denk dat het omgekeerde zoals wat het leukst was of het gemakkelijkst het leukst en en wat zijn je gedachten over het vergelijken ervan heb je voltooid ja ja ik heb ja dat is een goede vraag um het is een moeilijke een omdat ze in etappes kwamen weet je voor mij ik denk dat de reis naar Mongolië de meest angstaanjagende was je kent je je zet ze bij elkaar en je zou eigenlijk de yangtze aannemen want het is vierduizend mijl en het gaat 352 dagen duren om te voltooien en er is veel meer uitdagingen, maar voor mij had ik nog nooit zoiets als Mongolië gedaan voor de enige grote expeditie of zelfs geen expeditie het enige avontuur dat ik had meegemaakt met een vriend van mij was met Matt geweest en we waren altijd op wegen geweest waar er is mensen waar voedsel is waar water is en onderdak eh en het was maar kort, weet je, dus ik kreeg nooit echt te maken met eenzaamheid en echte bedreigingen of uitdagingen en dus het feit dat ik nu op het punt stond Mongolië te proberen en toen begon ik onderzoek te doen omdat ik wist niet dat het een wereldprimeur was om mee te beginnen het was pas toen ik contact begon te leggen met die mensen die het eerder hadden gedaan zodat ik ze om tips en advies kon vragen ik deed het gewoon voor de pure liefde en passie ervan weet je wel en toen ik begon teams aan boord te brengen en toen ik zei dat ik geen teams kon betalen, deden ze eigenlijk vrijwilligerswerk omdat ze het een cool project vonden um je weet dus sprekend tot de wereld g grafische samenleving i sprak ook met fixers en logistiek managers ter plaatse in Mongolië en je weet dat ze iemand hadden gevonden die het had geprobeerd en beweert de eerste persoon te zijn die ooit een solo en niet-ondersteunde wandeling door Mongolië heeft geprobeerd, maar hij faalde op alle drie de punten mpts ik denk dat het zelfs net voor net na halverwege was weet je ik herinner me dat ik naar deze man keek en hij was een soldaat een woestijnontdekkingsreiziger hij was al door de Sahara-woestijn getrokken met een karavaan kamelen en ik was een 22 jaar oud strand zwerver levend op een eiland ja ik was alsof ik geen soldaat was en ik ben nog nooit in een woestijn geweest en dat schrikte me bijna af weet je dat bracht me bijna af ik had veel mentale blokkades en barrières en twijfels weet je mensen met wie ik begon te praten met mensen die in Mongolië waren geweest, weet je, ze zouden me alle hulp of advies kunnen geven en deze mensen die te paard als duizend kilometer door Mongolië hadden gereden, zouden lachen als ze zeiden dat de paarden moeite hebben om het land over te steken wat doe je hebben alleen ze zeiden dat de nomaden duidelijk de afgelopen duizenden jaren het land doorkruisten, maar ze zeggen dat ze je weten dat ze uh bacteriën in kamelen hebben ze doen het als een steungroep als een netwerk van familie en vrienden ze zijn gewoon aardig f dacht dat ik roekeloos en dom was en dat bracht die gedachten in mij en ik dacht dat ik misschien roekeloos en dom ben misschien op zoek naar een populairder land, maar euh, weet je, ik geloof dat alleen maar omdat niemand een manier heeft gevonden om het te doen jij weet dat het niet betekent dat het niet kan met de juiste trainingsvoorbereiding misschien zou ik de eerste kunnen zijn, dus dat zette de inzet erg hoog en dat zette mijn soort gedachten en zorgen en je weet dat ik bang was voor Mongolië dat waren ze zeggen dat je een roedel wolven zult tegenkomen, je zult stilstaand water tegenkomen dronken en harmonische drifters sneeuwstormen zandstormen steile vlaktes en dat de meeste soorten transportreizen uh mislukken ik denk dat het 90 procent van het vervoeren was tijdens jou weet dat wanneer je de trailer achter je sleept mislukt, dus dat is de kans die al enorm tegen me is gestapeld uh weet je en ik herinner me het testen van de trailer in Schotland en hij brak ik moest om back-up bellen en dat maakte me weer banger nog meer van Mongolië ik had net grote angstige gedachten weet je ik probeerde niet aan mezelf te twijfelen maar het is te moeilijk om te doen als je niet echt weet wat je kunt je weet dat ik niet eerder alleen was geweest ik wist niet of ik mezelf zou kunnen motiveren of als ik de juiste beslissingen zou nemen of als de eenzaamheid me zou schrikken in de kwetsbaarheid en als een waterput droog zou zijn, je kent mijn gevecht en mijn vlucht en ik wist niet hoe ik dat zou doen reageer op al deze scenario's dus daarom was ik bang, dus Mongolië, zeker voor de mentaliteit madagascar waarschijnlijk voor de fysieke eisen je weet wel madagascar was 1 600 mijl duurde 155 dagen om te voltooien en van die 155 dagen geloof ik niet dat er een was aangename dagtocht ik denk eerlijk gezegd niet dat er een dag was dat ik gewoon kon weten dat ik mijn tent kon opzetten en zoiets van oh dat was een goede dag, niet dat ze slecht waren, maar als je uitdaging na uitdaging aangaat, kijk je er een beetje naar uit even een pauze hebben, weet je, misschien is het gewoon een platte medaille die je gewoon zou kunnen tre k de hele dag en dan kamperen maar nee het waren bergen het waren cyclonen het waren spinnenbeten bloedzuigers het was jagen jagen en verzamelen het was aan het verdwalen in de jungle het droeg een kip genaamd gertrude het werd onder schot gehouden door het leger het was bijna je fotograaf verliezen aan een nachtelijke oversteek van een rivier het waren door krokodillen geteisterde rivieren het gaat maar door en door en door en door en ik denk niet dat er een prettige dag was het is zo dat misschien voor de fysieke attributen en dan weer porselein voor slechts de duur van 352 dagen en het verliezen van 10 leden in de eerste paar maanden en de beren en gestalkt worden door wolven en min 20 meer dan vijfduizend meter nadat je door de politie bent opgepakt en bedreigd dat je wordt uitgezet en dus alle drie ik kan er echt geen kiezen ik denk dat als ik eerder zo direct na de vietnam cyclus had gehad als ik naar alle drie zou kijken ik zou zeggen ja de yangtze is het moeilijkste um en dat madagascar en mongolië een beetje samen zijn ik soort van kn ieuws dat Mongolië mentaal sterker zou zijn Madagascar zou fysiek moeilijker zijn, misschien zou ik het niet doen, want ik zou een 18-steens trailer door Mongolië trekken.

Weet je, misschien zijn dat de eisen, maar ik denk dat het met Mongolië me het vertrouwen gaf om Madagaskar te veroveren en toen het op China aankwam, had ik zoveel ervaring dat ik niet zo bang was omdat ik mezelf nu kende in tegenstelling tot Mongolië toen ik mezelf gewoon niet kende en hoe ik zou reageren dat is een groot antwoord China het is een goed antwoord, hoewel het een goed antwoord, dus China was denk ik minder fysiek en mentaal veeleisend, maar gewoon langer eigenlijk denk ik dat China fysiek en mentaal veeleisend zou zijn geweest, maar ik denk dat het dankzij de ervaring van Mongolië Madagascar was dat ik het in China kon regelen ja ja dat is logisch, dus om terug te gaan naar die twee, denk ik, laten we er een beetje doorheen bladeren en een paar hoogtepunten en dat soort dingen eruit halen, dus praat erover om te beginnen alsof je de gobi-woestijn bent overgestoken in Mongolië, wat enorm woestijngebied eh hoe eenzaam zoals wat was je eenzaamste punt in Mongolië en zoals hoe dat was en werd je op een bepaald moment bijna gek met je eigen gedachten zoals wat was dat ja ja je weet dat het drie weken over de altai-gebergte het was vijf weken door de gobi-woestijn en dan is dat helemaal alleen dat is helemaal alleen de enige keer dat ik niet alleen ben is de lokale bevolking die ik onderweg tegenkom ja um dus ik heb nooit gezien heb ik iets gezien dat ik heb gezien ik heb de hele reis geen buitenlander gezien, alleen jij weet het omdat het erg dunbevolkt is en niet erg goed gereisd het was zeker niet in 2012 um omdat ik denk dat het alleen goed openging voor westerlingen of het gemakkelijker maakte zoals in 2008 of misschien net voor eh en dus ja ik denk dat de langste periode die ik ging meer dan acht dagen was zonder een enkele mens te zien wow um en ik zei tegen mezelf dat het zo zeldzaam is dat je zulke lange afstanden voor zo'n lange tijd kunt afleggen en tegenkomt niemand en dus moet ik thomas het deed me denken aan het dinosaurustijdperk dat je kent als een onderscheiding van je kent zoveel mensen om in die tijd van een week geen persoon tegen te komen het was verrassend dus ik probeerde tegen mezelf te zeggen dat ik ervan moest genieten ja je voelt je kwetsbaar ja je voelt je erg down en je voelt een beetje dat het aan jou ligt je weet dat niemand je gaat helpen er is niemand hier er gebeurt iets met je niemand zal dat weten dat vind je lijk in de toekomst weet je dus ik was me daar erg van bewust um en dat deed ik ja ik was soms eenzaam ik denk dat de keren dat ik me eenzaam voelde is natuurlijk wanneer je weet dat er de eenzaamheid was van het niet zien van mensen, maar het was zeker vermengd met de honger en uitdroging de grote tijden waar de honger zou me gefrustreerd maken door de eenzaamheid, je weet wel, het zou het acceptabel maken voor mij om hardop tegen mezelf te schreeuwen of te schreeuwen, bijvoorbeeld vanwege de honger, gebrek aan voedsel en dan ook de uitdroging .

Alles van dit gecombineerd zorgde voor een behoorlijk eenzame ervaring, maar ik wist waarom ik de bron kende waarom ik me zo voelde en ik moest me gewoon concentreren op de dagelijkse doelen zoals je weet deze donkere tijden zijn niet gekomen om te blijven ze zijn gekomen om weet je, ik heb altijd gezegd dat de avonturen gewoon langer duren dan de donkere tijden die zijn aangebroken, maar ja gelukkig waren er tijden dat ik er ook van kon genieten weet je en wees gewoon in het moment en uh ja, er waren ook goede tijden ja dat is belangrijk want het klinkt alsof er veel intense tijden waren, stressvolle tijden ja moeilijke tijden eh het is goed om ook goede tijden te hebben wat zou je zeggen dat je hoogtepunten dan uit die uit Mongolië kwamen reis ik zou zeggen dat je weet dat een groot hoogtepunt is toen ik eindelijk de routine brak die je kent toen ik voor het eerst vertrok en afscheid nam van mijn lokale um een ​​soort local waar ik bij de startlijn verbleef voordat ik op weg ging naar mijn reis weet je toen ik hem gedag zei en ik begon te lopen alles was onbekend slapen het was zo winderig dat de tent zo luid was ik kon niet veel slapen ik ben nog steeds bezig met een goede routine van wanneer ik graag slaap hoe lang geleden ik graag rust voor welke tijden mijn i would take in the food how fast to walk you know and still judging and getting familiar with the weather and what i need to wear in order to be prepared for snow blizzards or sandstorms rainstorms a lot so i'm still finding my routine and i think one of the highlights is when i just somehow cracked it i always call it breaking into the wild side i think we all have that wild instinct to us it just takes a while for you to really see it and i say it takes about two weeks and after two weeks of being uncomfortable being on your own or being out there in the wild you know everything's unfamiliar and you're cold and you're wet and you don't like it you've got blisters but eventually you toughen up physically and mentally and you get comfortable with being uncomfo rtable and it all becomes a little bit more familiar making it slightly more easier and there was just a point of that at mongolia where i was just like yes you know i'm i'm on it i don't know what i'm doing different but my routine just seems on point i'm covering good miles i you know i'm emotionally stable my mindset is still intact you know and that was a huge highlight but there were many the locals would always bring the locals always make or break a journey i found um and on all three of these expeditions maybe apart from the south of madagascar the locals have just made the experience even better i remember turning around one day in the gobi desert and just seeing this this guy on horseback sort of galloping towards me from a distance it's all flat in the gobi desert so it took forever to get to me but you can see a cloud of dust in the distance and it's quite intimidating at the same time because you don't know why he's coming at you you don't you don't know who he is i do kno w about the the drunken normatic drifters sometimes they kicked out the goo by their wife they're angry they've got a bottle of vodka and you know their their natural spores wrestling and they're big guys and so when he was galloping over i was just making sure that i was ready and aware and alert um yeah but it wasn't for that at all he'd saw me from the distance and he wanted to give me like a take away chai like a take away tea for the journey he came all that way just to give me some fluids wished me well something and gallop back and that was a that was a massive highlight as well and just nighttime skies as well when you're on your own and you're like wow what am i doing sometimes it just hit me you know the whole world first and walking across mongolia and you know when i was there it would just hit me and i'd be like this is a mad experience you know this is so mad yeah no it does it sounds amazing i'm very jealous in a lot of ways but also like on the other side like wow there 's a lot it's quite scary right at the same time yeah there's a lot of steak yeah for sure it gets yeah it gets sketchy i heard you tell one little story i don't remember the details but you had like an unexpected visitor in in mongolia like outside your tent or something like that i remember getting a few chills here and you tell them a little bit about this so tell me this story and again in fall yeah there were some weird moments um in the gobi desert but one of them was where i just hadn't seen anyone or anything in i'm sure is about five or six days up to this point and the last time i saw a wild camel was about four days ago you know that's the only thing right out in the government desert if you see no camels or if you see nothing but camera carcasses then that's when you start to worry and you start to look how much fluids you've got there you know um but i was sleeping at night and weirdly i woke up to almost footsteps and breathing outside my tent and i remember listening clo sely making sure i'm not screaming and it did i could just hear these they were heavy footprints as well and in my mind they were a footprint of a man you know or of someone of a person outside my tent and then the occasional heavier breath and i remember you know were you freaking out at that point at that point i was just aware it's like everything switched off a possible hyper reactor yeah yeah you know and i remember every single movement was like millimeter by millimeter and i managed over a long period of time to get my knife and and a torch so i sat in the tent torch is off i sat in my tent i've made no noise i've got my knife in my right hand towards my left um and then that was just listening and listening and listening then i started to think everything that it could be and when's the last person i saw and i was like you know it has been over four days since the last wild camel you know i've not seen a person in like six days five six days and my mind was just overthinking as well and anyway iii worked the zip so you couldn't hear it you know bit by bit one zipper at time i got it to a point where i could then slowly open and then i shined my torch and as i shined my torch it was coming around you know it was like oh [ __ ] how's it gonna reveal itself if you like and it was like it was um a wild dog or a semi-wild dog and it was a big dog as well but it wasn't aggressive you know i remember thinking like yeah okay it's a dog and i'm relatively safe you know it would have been worse it's a guy or a group of guys or whatnot um and i remember it just circling my tent for a while sniffing around and then it fell asleep down near my trailer so i was comfortable you know i did the zipper down and weird experience but yeah i fell back to sleep again and then at five o'clock five or six o'clock i think it was five i woke up to it barking at something and then it ran off barking and that was my next concern i said yeah we're in the desert what did it see what's it parking at what is it even not in the desert even in like in my flat when my dog starts barking in the middle of the night what's going on even the aliens are here or somebody's trying to break in so something's happening yeah um but yeah that would make me [ __ ] myself after that experience for sure yeah it was um what about some of the highlights from madagascar and and lowlights like whichever kind of come to mind some of the memorable moments i guess yeah there was a lot with madagascar because there was so much that happened i do forget a lot of stories in madagascar you know with mongolia there were a lot of sort of days that you were in your own headspace you were just hiking you were covering ground and whilst i probably did forget a lot of cool stuff that's happened in mongolia you know typically when you're in the desert that's it you've got five weeks um obviously the low light in one girl he was almost losing my life to to heat uh heat stroke eat exhaustion but after i ma de that and cracked on it kind of like three different chapters the outside the gobi and the and the um the mongolian step but with madagascar ah there was so much that i faced some of you know some of the low lights of course were being held up at gunpoint um yeah so what happened with that just briefly so i was always warned not to go down south of madagascar but i guess i was reckless and ii was like you know i'm i'm a man of my word i said i'm gonna trek this will be the second world first south to north via the interior summit in the eight highest mountains you know along the madagascar ridge um and so i needed to go down south but there were shootings down south there the bandits are rife the bandits will sort of rock up to communities um cause havoc steal zebu which kind of like their cattle walk to the other side of the island and sell them for a lot more money and so they'll make money but they're so much more efficient than the military and because the military always drunk a nd drinking the bandits are able to overpower the military and then not only do they do them over they leave with the artillery so the bandits now in madagascar have better artillery than the military and so i didn't want to come across either the military or the bandits and ii heard word from a local sheriff that the military were making them their way down south so i kind of utilized the forest area um to stay hidden from the military but then i hear that the bandits are in the forest because they're also utilizing it to hide from the military and so i thought i don't want to face the bandits even so i exited the forest and we were met by the military and it was mainly just this one officer who was really aggressive you know really drunk um and he had this this ak-47 you know he was lifting it up he was demanding for the passport but as he was like that the strap on his shoulder kept slipping off because he was drunk and he kept catching it nearby the trigger with the barrel you know still up pointing at me in my guide and so that was a worry and then that built up a bit of a crowd and so now there was a crowd circling because um i think 95 of the crowd were on our side and didn't like the military they're not very liked down south but there were a few members that didn't like me and they thought i was i was french the french have got a bad history in madagascar for when they ruled over 60 years ago they were apparently quite brutal so they saw me they assumed i'm french and some of them were trying to break past the crowd to fight me so i was like oh god i'm being held up like a boy i got these trying to fight me you know and ii remember staying i remember telling myself you know don't do any quick movements you know just just go with it listen stay calm stay cool headed um pass over the passport uh you know eventually it did cool down the aggressive guys got pulled away by the locals who could see that i was trying to be decent so that helps i think that's why t hey pulled him away he was like hang on this guy isn't causing any harm and then the military officer eventually was slapped over the head by the other officers um they still asked for money for their morning coffee you know they still it was very corrupt they still asked for money but yeah i didn't care give a bit of money and they cracked on so that was the issue down south um you know it's very difficult life down south you know there's a lot of sort of malnutrition going on uh there's wells which are on the beach which means it's slightly filtered salt water that they're drinking there's not very many crops that grow there's no fruit vegetation nothing like that they actually eat cactus fruit that their bellies have adapted to over time and so you know they're very desperate and that leads them to sometimes act irrationally and you know try to kick you off where you're camping and say that they own the land just so that they can get money they saw me a little bit more as a as an at m machine down south but yeah i unders i fully understood why you know it's a it's a tough tough life whereas up north there is more vegetation there's more plantations you know they're slightly more wealthier um and so they were just amazing and more welcoming because they weren't in such a difficult place like they were down south um but yeah i faced a lot in madagascar of course ii caught the deadly strain of malaria there's four different strains of malaria i always kind of see it as a pro and a con the deadliest stray yes you can die within 24 hours that's the biggest killer but it's actually the only strain that you can eradicate fully out of your system so ii i'll take that yeah you know so in hindsight obviously yeah like now yeah you know if you if you can get it out of your system if you can clear it out then oh yeah that's great where's the three lower strains they're not as deadly but they can poke their ugly head back every now and then you know you've still got it it's in your system so i wasn't really educated when it came to malaria of course i was taking my anti-malarial pills but it was when i came to a small community that this was triggered i came to a small community and this community was suffering with the bubonic plague you know such an ancient disease but in madagascar they still suffer with it so we were told to stay in our tents and we were in our tent we weren't cooking the locals would bring over food and they did but you know that meal it was rice and eel but the eel was slightly off ii you know it smelled a little bit funky but i wasn't 100 sure and i was starving me and my guidebook so we eat it and the next day we crack on we say thank you bye i'm suffering you know vomiting slightly and suffered with diarrhea so i think that the pills the anti-malarial pills bearing in mind they only cover you up to 80 percent we're going in one way out the other way and that's how malaria was you know managed to get a grasp on me and of course i di dn't make it within 24 hours you know i had that malaria for five days i was still walking um and so i do believe that there was that anti-malaria pill still working otherwise it would have killed me within a day and then by the time i reached you know where i needed to get to i just about made it the doctors had only potentially a few hours before slipping into a coma so really yeah so so cool were you feeling the symptoms physically were you like really yeah yeah for days and everything yeah and weirdly it was similar symptoms to when i was in the gobi desert uh suffering with heat stroke you know just delirious i was hallucinating my organs felt weird like in the gobi desert i could almost feel my organs drying up due to the lack of water you know and but i was shocked because i was like no i wouldn't make the same mistake twice i have been drinking a lot of water in madagascar so what you know what else could this be and then i started to get worse and worse and then yeah to the po int where i was at the uh i made it to the city and reached the doctors yeah i just collapsed on the bed it was just all spinning i just saw two heads pop above me um they were giving me pills and they took my blood and they came back and they said you've got that you know you've got falsely power i was like what's fossil power this was all translated to me of course because they didn't speak english um and they was try kind of stressing to me that's the it's the deadliest strain of malaria and my heart just sunk i didn't know what that meant i was just yeah it sounds bad ii just thought that sounds bad you didn't reply like what are my odds or anything you didn't want to get you didn't want to get that wrong and yeah like the translation barrier it was exactly almost that yeah just like be careful with what question i asked next because just be really nice and smile to them and uh please help me please fix me yeah yeah and luckily you know unlike mongolia i had better insurance in mad agascar and my insurance were great and i was able to translate they got someone who spoke my gas on the phone uh and they were able to converse and you know we were taking the phone back and forth and they explained it to me in good detail and you know and then i was a little bit you know i was like wow okay so i just remember just checking with her so i can clear this so after seven days it's not gonna be my sister and she understood a little bit of english she was like yes that's all right and then i'll inject that with the can you confirm this oh i just hate it i thought except wherever i go at future adventure wise malaria can just creep up on me at any point in time no no i'm not a big fan of that thought either yeah so you're quite within your rights to not like that thought yeah yeah yeah yeah so that was you know that was only one month i think one month into a five month expedition so i did all that training and preparing back at home and i lost 13 kilograms did it mess up di d it mess with your mentality at all did it first yeah yeah at first you know when i was on those pills and i was just in i had to be in a hotel a lot of the doctors because i still had malaria so if a mosquito bit me and someone else and they've got malaria so i had to quarantine effectively and yeah yeah i remember i went through a dark phase you know only lasted a few days but i i hated everything i hated i started hating on the country i started hating on the which obviously was not me at all that was the medication uh hating the people and you know i was good i still had four whole months left started off hating on all the challenges that i faced and i'm not even halfway through you know i think i was overwhelmed with the amount that i was hit by you know i think it was two weeks before i caught malaria i had to run from a bushfire you know it was just it was never-ending and of course the military gun all of that happened within the first month and when you feel like [ __ ] physi cally and mentally but when you feel like crap when you've been through something like that everything feels worse everything feels harder everything yeah it just feels yeah exactly yeah yeah and i you know i had people on the phone as well of course my family they were there i was gonna say what are you doing this isn't a cold or a flu yeah it's the biggest killer in human history come back and then try again but i was like no how hard was that to say no oh it was pretty easy actually i believed i was insane you know i thought i knew madagascar it's rife with malaria and they know how to deal with it i come plus i've had it now and i've had it now you know but you can actually still get it again and again that was the scare yeah that's what i did and i tell you whenever i hit a mosquito around me for the next four months i was fully aware i was killing it i was like trying to get rid of it i just the damage of a mosquito is absolutely killed i'm like that and i've never had anything t o do with malaria in my life but ii just hate mosquitoes i have a vengeance against mosquitoes just that noise it will wake me up in the middle of the night like with a star you know in a cartoon where you just sit up directly from lying down that's like me it could be 3 am and if i don't find that [ __ ] i will not be able to go back to school because i get such a horrible reaction from them yeah yeah i don't know and they're worse here than in the uk and obviously they're even worse out in these exotic places but i think i i'm convinced they're worse here than back home yeah yeah they are they sorry you mentioned one of my pet hates so i had to jump in on that yeah anyway let's briefly um let's briefly touch on your highlights and i guess again like maybe low lights if you want on yeah yangtze um i know much longer expedition um we're not going to give it the time it deserves none of these are getting close to the time they deserve uh but yeah like any any things that stand out any m emorable moments yeah i would say it's it's weird isn't it because there's lots of highlights throughout it was never ending with highlights but for me it's the challenges that really stand out as the highlights yeah it sounds so negative when i talk about them because they are dangerous but it's it's funny i don't really it sounds crazy me saying this because it's like over seven and a half thousand miles the past few years but i don't really enjoy hiking you know the actual that sounds funny yeah you know you know the actual walking of it it's i'm more of your sort of action man i love the skydive and the paramotor and scuba diving the cycling the survival you know when i'm doing these traditions yeah what i love most is it's the magic that happens in between um you know it's the survival the overcoming challenges to meeting the new people they're exploring a new country to try and the delicacies and just learning so much about the place and by itself that's what i love but the hikin g is what gets you to places that are near impossible to get to by any other means of uh transport so i do like the hiking for that but i just don't really like it it's just walking you know people are like how do you train do you go on long heights it's like no i can't start just going on a long night unless there's going to be a challenge then i love it and you know i say that because the challenges i'm doing so much from so when i talk about these challenges now with the yangtze don't take them as negatives or low lights take them as highlights because i do whilst they weren't good at the time they're good now yeah because they'll prepare me for what whatever's next but you know some of the the difficult times or times i've learned a lot from was first and foremost the two years of planning that it took to get the green light for china because it's so sensitive and because i was going through 11 different provinces you know i needed production teams i needed distribution companies i needed to be made doctor temporary doctor for one year i needed to have access and protection by the local authorities i needed to have the government on my side i needed 13 or 14 stamped and signed laminated documents to carry with me 24 7 and it took two years to plan all of this and it's good job as well because even when i was met by the authorities and they would take me back to their sort of government offices to questioning they couldn't do anything they threatened to deport me but once i pulled out those documents it's it's the government saying you you drop ash back from where you found him and allowing to continue so i was effectively untouchable by the by the authorities and that's just something i never had on my earlier expeditions because you know especially the vietnam cycle and all of the early adventures it was just reckless planning but i knew that with china i couldn't do reckless plan because they would deport me within the first week and so that was a major highli ght but also a major challenge the rest were like sort of avoiding the bears we were two and a half months later starting the journey which meant the bears were now coming off the mountains because it's too cold they were looking for food before their tall pool which is kind of like their hibernation and you know i kind of went with this healthy mindset of leave the bears alone the bears will leave you alone and the locals said otherwise and start showing me photos and videos you know this is what happens when the locals leave the birds alone the bears don't care and they come into the communities and you know they will attack um and so that was scary you know i was very aware of the bears you've got the tibetan mastiffs as well sort of safeguarding the locals and the livestock sometimes they were staked on the ground sometimes they weren't um and that you know often we'd have to fight off these two better masters they are they're not friendly with you no they were kind of they're semi -wild guard dogs and they are they're bigger than wolves they're so furry as well they're like a mini bear so they were a threat you know the wolves weren't so much of a threat i was followed by a pack of wolves for a couple of days um and i only found out i found out six months later i'll tell you how it's funny how this story was that in china that story yeah this is china yeah um and you know me and kyle my my videographer were walking we came across these tibetan guys and they were trying to warn us we didn't speak tibetan so we didn't know what they were saying they were trying to warn us of something but you know we were like hey we got that all the time waved by but we kyle had filmed all of this kyle had filmed the interaction between me and these tibetan guys and anyway we pushed on down this valley that they kept pointing towards and kind of advising us not to go there and for the next couple of days we were followed by a pack of wolves um you know it was it was a little bit creepy but maybe awe inspiring there was two of us i never felt really in real danger and the walls in west china aren't as big as the grey wolves in mongolia but anyway fast forward six months my editing team in beijing got hold of that footage and what the guys were warning us because she speaks tibet they said don't go down that valley because only yesterday a local lady was killed by a pack of wolves and i had no idea so we're right where they're like is great great stuff bye-bye and they were you know maybe the same pack maybe not but the fact that i thought they're going to leave us alone yet they had just killed a person was maybe a little bit naive but it's very rare that happens you know it's like the extreme version of when somebody asks you for directions and you tell them it's down there and then left and they go the complete other way yeah these guys they don't go down there there's wolves they're gonna kill you yeah cheers mate have a good one yeah yeah yeah exactly it wa s so funny oh god but um you know yes challenges like that challenges like the snow blizzards and the the altitude being over 5100 meters i lost guides to it they didn't die but of course you know they were they abandoned or evacuated the expedition um i lost film crew due to fear of wildlife i think before month number two or three uh the 16 different people that joined me in terms of videography or guides 10 of those had to go because of their challenges so i learned a lot there in terms of teamwork and scouting and who should join me who shouldn't join me um and yeah it was just it was pretty endless the first few months it was like the first six months and the second six months were two completely different chapters the first six months were very survival based very out in the in the wild i felt so vulnerable um bears wolves the lot whereas the second half it was coming across more locals it was a warmer more tropical environment it was all of your foods your herbs and your spices your plantations your vegetation and spending more time with the locals until eventually it was the mega cities in which i got a little bit sick off because i couldn't get off a tormach road you know wherever the ancient flows into tarmac road following it um but it was amazing to be at the source you know far west near tibet where it's so narrow that you can step over it and it's just this trickle coming out of the ground and then follow that for 4 000 miles and where it pulls out near shanghai into the east china sea it's almost 10 miles wide and it's got cruise liners on it you know that and i felt close to my heart because i had followed it from its infancy and watched it grow and saw how much it feeds the populations like as i go through at the country it was just yeah amazing lots of highlights yeah what was that moment like when you stood there and you've just finished that 4 000 mile trip all the [ __ ] you've gone through and and yeah how was that feeling amazing you know it i s amazing it's weird not knowing that you have to wake up early tomorrow get that big heavy rucksack on and carry on walking you know your body clock is stuck in that sort of and stuck in that way but at the same time it happened very gradual it's i think the best way to explain it it's kind of not like um you know like a racer they're at the start line their finish line is in within within 10 to 12 seconds away you know or nine depending on how fast you are you know and they then find out if they've won or not or if they've made it or not within that minute you know whereas with me because it's two years in the making and like visualizing and constantly and then a whole year of hiking it gets to a point probably about 70 percent of the way through when you've realized that the hardest challenges are now behind me so there's no it's highly unlikely that anything's going to stop me now which makes it difficult because in your mind you've kind of made it but you haven't because you've st ill got to walk another 800 miles you know you still gotta put in the groundwork so i think when i finished it was more like it's about damn time you know it wasn't like a shock like wow i made it to the finish line because i had lots of days by myself to mullet over like this is happening now this is you know i'm in the cities i'm on it i'm on a tall mic road there's no way unless i get hit by a car you never know there's just no way i'm not getting to that finish it's like they're going down the mountain part i guess like after summiting a mountain almost uh and that could be the most dangerous time exactly yeah when you've just had your big celebration yeah we made it and then you've got to go down yeah exactly yeah it's like any walking or even running it's always like the last 100 meters which seems to be the hardest of the last mile which seems to be the toughest you know it's because mentally you've already made it but you haven't because you still haven't finished that mile bra in the brain is weird yeah so you you talked a little bit about the bears and the wolves and stuff and i mentioned earlier we we have a few people on this podcast talk about animals and their encounters with animals and that kind of thing yes so are there any other animal encounters that you can kind of go into now and and like tell me about um yeah there's been a few yeah um and not even just on the expeditions but even in scuba diving world you know yeah yeah yeah there's this thing called crown of thorns it's kind of like a have you seen the crown of thorns i'm not sure i don't think so it rings a bell but yeah it's kind of like an image too it's kind of like a big starfish but it's got spikes on it like sticking out and it's a little bit venomous as well a little bit poisonous and they just absolutely overpopulate there's not a natural predator and they kill all the coral reeds so you're taught as a scuba diver if you come across them kill them because there's too many of them they don't have a natural predator um and so i used to and i remember this one time i was killing it but the knife just slipped through its hard skin and one of its spikes just went right up through and it snapped off inside me oh it's so painful but for the next day or two i was pretty ill and it was at that point i didn't know they were venomous i came up because i was just a dive master not an instructor so i asked someone higher than me are they poisonous and he said no and then two days later i came back and a different instructor who was like where were you and i don't know i'd like eating something funny and i was ill for the past two days um and then i was telling her about that story with the kind of thoughts and he was like you didn't eat anything dodgy the crown of thorns is poisonous you were poisoned you know for the past two days so there was that i've been bitten by a wild monkey i'd be bitten on the leg by a damn monkey and it wasn't anything heroic like hacking through the jungles of madagascar it was on monkey island in thailand a crocodile but with there were crocs um croc infested rivers or like rivers that had crocs in them uh and sometimes we were unsure what was looking beneath because the river was muddy so we would spend hours building a raft you know sort of flowing over the top oh my god using nothing but bamboo and bamboo leaves to tie it all together you know getting the luggage across and there was just always something nerve-wracking about that just thinking that like some could be imagined any little stick you see floating along the top um but yeah what else is there spider bite i've had a spider bite in the madagascar jungle yeah just sort of how bad was that it infected it it went pretty it was kind of like bit me near my bicep and then again on my forearm it felt down my top as i was sort of machete and hand hacking through the jungle and the same with the leeches you know most nights i would you know when i got into my tent i'd take m y shirt off and have to pull off you know good a good six to seven leeches and flicked them up the tent leeches were never ended um and almost rammed by a bull again in in india you know like like cows and bulls are everywhere in india they walked the streets and i was in a typical sort of narrow indian alleyway and a bull went into panic mode and started to flip out and of course you know its only escape was behind us so we needed to run 5000.

Remember the locals shouting out away and me and my friend matt scoot either side right against the wall and it just nudged us you know onto the floor it didn't hit his head on and it carried on running yeah so there's been some really wild encounters really yeah for sure did you ever see a bear because you had all these warnings about bears did you ever actually see one like yeah i saw a bear i saw one bear in the distance when i was trekking it was far away though i didn't didn't really feel that threat but it was pretty freaky that was there and at that point there was three of us and a horse uh oh wow yeah that was at the beginning of china one that was pretty freaky is the local he was telling us about bears and how you know aggressive they are in these parts and he presented me with a damn knife not like a knife is going to do anything but he was really scared for us um and he told us that our bear had come into his sort of mini courtyard and he's in the middle of nowhere his is like a typical you know the typical sketch the kid's drawing but when you've got these pine trees and like these mountains and this nighttime got the moon there and just like a small little hot with sort of smoke coming out the chimney here's just like that place he said that a bear walked right past his tibetan mastiff into his courtyard and started scratching at his steel door and he oh man yeah and he locked himself in a cupboard and just stayed there till the bear went and i was just like that's so and we're in a tent we've got we've not got no steel door protectants from a bear uh and then that next morning exactly nothing that next morning we saw fresh bear footprints literally walked along that same trial maybe a couple of hours before we were there so that was eerie yeah yeah that's that's scary stuff what about the wolves any so you got kind of basically tracked for a couple of days stalked by wolves yeah and did you ever kind of come up close to them or did you ever see any in in the flesh or um i know i did yeah i did we were staying with locals probably about a week or two weeks before we were stalked by a pack of a different pack um and i was staying with a tibetan family and they were sort of showing me their way of life how they heard the yak you know their typical routine uh of milk in the yak spreading the dung you know drying it out using it for the fire and with the yak once we had heard of them and brought them back down towards their white felt tent their ear or they're good there was a wolf that wandered down just a lone wolf that came down the mountain uh and we had to chase it off because it was getting too close to the yak and anyway the next morning none of us woke up um through the night but the next morning a yak's tail was missing uh we didn't know which yak it was we just saw a tail just loose bleeding on the floor and we were like it must have must have been the wolf that came back for more wow and just bit the tail off and then and then maybe got a kick in the face yeah exactly wow yeah that's wild that is why are there any more animal encounters here before we move on why would you know the others that wild yak were actually yeah they were they were maybe one of the most intimidating i didn't think this works i remember my guides being fearful and i was like what they're just big cows you know what you're scared of but you know once they explained it properly to me i was like oh it's in mating season it is and kind of like the the males will pair up and go wandering around the tibetan plateau and they are big they are massive fury as well and aggressive because it was main season that we were there uh and they you know they scare off bears they'll run at bears and bears will run away you know um yeah and they've been known to just randomly rock up and kill the wild horses as well and so we were worried because we had cast a choice of horse um and i remember one morning they got too close for comfort but we had the chinese firecrackers with us to scare off bears wolves snow leopards mastiffs and in this case wild yak and yeah i remember just 2 am 3 am i think it was it got really close we set off the chinese crackers and they weren't running but ultimately they were trying to get close to casting they would have just shredded him um that's crazy yeah it can be really aggressive to be fair cows are scarier than you're giving them credit for and more dangerous i'll just i'm just going to stand up for cows for a minute just put that out there yeah exactly th ese yaks sound like something in between cows and rhinoceros yeah tell you what they are yes they are big and they are strong how big you don't don't get in between them so i'm going to move on from animals now with with deep regret i mean i love talking about animals tell me um so your best slash worst slash craziest weirdest whatever food uh and drink and start with food and drink best worst weirdest oh weirdest i go straight to weirdest i think because one stands out straight away and that is maybe the pasha worm found in panzerwa in sichuan province in south of china and they've got they're kind of like these big fat centipedes and they burrow in the yangtze river and you've got to lift up the rocks to search for them and it's a delicacy because they'll collect a load they'll fry it and they'll actually put it on rice and include in meals but you can eat it raw as well you know you've got to twist its head off pull its guts out pop it in your mouth where it'll curl up and start wri ggling and i remember doing that eating it raw you know there's this explosion of pus and blood and it's a little bit salty but i keep chewing and i remember whilst i was chewing uh one of the local guys looked at me and he said make sure it's fully chewed because if it's not and you swallow it it's gonna grip to your throat and stop crawling back up oh man and i just remember thinking i'm just going to keep chewing and chewing if somebody said that to me i'd never stop chewing yeah i would like that yeah i think powder yeah i think it came out probably on the shoulder like yeah you can swallow now like i'm not going to but um there's been that there's been tarantula snake scorpion um squirrel squirrel was the with the burmese hill tribe we hunted squirrel um tasted pretty good it's been a lot actually that we've eaten and then the typical typical stuff like in bangkok when you actually can try the crickets the cockroach the maggot the bamboo worm etc so i've eaten a lot in the wild an d a lot yeah just like because it's the the delicacies the best i've had i've had so many so many nice dishes yeah he's at such an array you're very qualified to speak on this you know this is no pressure here there's a lot of grim ones there for you but some of the nice ones are all the way through china really one of my favorite was the the typical hot pot um famous in chongqing you know it's just just water and oil just boiled and they throw anything into it you've got all your spices it could be very spicy all of your meats all of your veg and then you just pick it out and it's like this big pot in the middle of the table it's very social way of eating as well and but i came across so many good foods in china i think china had maybe the most diversity of food yeah but madagascar as well you know they would have something simple like your rice and pork yeah they would spice it up in their own way that would make incredibly nice mongolia was a little bit more bland but it's an extrem e country you know it's cold it's dry it's not much grows i think the only veg to grow there is potato and carrots and so there's just high carbs high calorie food they're a thick heaviest set you know to last the extreme conditions that one girl throws at them yeah wow um what about the best worst and weirdest if you want like kind of a answer any of those or all of them or whatever you want to do with it but best worst weirdest uh experience i guess oh best i cannot answer the best i don't think yeah yeah oh yeah there's just been so many so many great experiences we can pre-face it with one of the and one of the if you want one of the best one of the worst one of the uh yeah okay yeah one of the best maybe um i'm gonna keep it generic i think as you know the people that i've met across the way um in different ways you know people who have just accepted me and allowed me into their guru and stay the night when i am feeling fearful or vulnerable if there's wolves or if there's bears o r if it's -20 there's no great greater highlight than just being in the absolute wilderness seeing a hut and then like being curious you know will they be hospitable will they not and then when they are friendly and they are making you food and it's warm and they're giving you drink and you're inside of it's minus 20 outside you don't need to set up your tent oh there's just some something so warming about that you know um yeah for sure so i would say it it's the local encounters or something that i get from the wild the weirdest encounter something weird happened in madagascar um you know i remember there's a bit of a story but i remember in madagascar that you know they believe in witches and bad spirits and all that i remember we rocked up to this community randomly in the middle of the jungle it wasn't even on the map we didn't even expect to come across anything because there was just nothing up there but we did it was a small community of people and you know they said uh you can stay here tonight so they gave us like an empty wooden hut with lots of cracks in the roof wasn't solid but we stayed in in that there was four of us that was me max my guide suzanne my photographer who joined with for a couple of weeks and her porter who's malagasy and i was carrying gertrude of course and i'm sure you know about the story of gertrude in order to sum up the highest mountain in madagascar you must carry yourself a white chicken and that protects you from the bad spirits and witches and you know as you know i'm all about respecting the culture so i took myself a white chicken ii called it gertrude he was with me for a good two and a half weeks i fed him he became fully domesticated he would like sleep next to me on my tent and anyway this night he slept next to max and they kept banging on about witches and [ __ ] that night um and it was max sleeping and suzanne next to him and me and then lever and then gertrude was over there max and i remember that night just having a really bad dream and my version is i had a bad dream you know i woke up and i saw max coming back into the heart with my machete and i remember thinking you know whoa i said you're right mate and he said yeah you know i'm fine go back to sleep his version he woke up that night and i was convulsing uh suzanne was convulsing and leaving we're all shaking and i asked them if they had my dreams and they also had a really bad dream last night at nightmares i said that's so weird and the max said that he was actually uh he woke up that that night was looking at as three convulsion looked towards the door and there was a silhouette someone stood outside the door um and then he shouted at this thing on the other side of the door and then picked up his machete ran outside he heard a giggle or like a like a like a noise from this what he called a lady and it started running and max is you know he's a young he's a fit guy and he runs a hell of a speed and he was running and as soon as this thi ng entered the jungle it just kind of vanished and then he came back and me lever and suzanne he said now stopped convulsing and i actually woke up and asked him if he was okay and i was like okay that's randy you know what are you suggesting what are you saying and he of course i don't believe in this stuff but he was straight up saying that was a that was a witch that was a witch that he had to run up there and i was like well why wouldn't you convulse it if that was a witch why didn't she put you under a little spell and then he said that's because gertrude was sleeping beside me and witches are too scared to get too close to gertrude to chickens and it was just such a weird it's like because it was like that community is not even supposed to be there we're in the middle of this forest it's a full moon and you can just see yeah you kind of know what he means with the silhouette it was bright outside because of them but it was dark it was in the mountains you know he had gertrude on his side the next morning all of the locals were like acting like it's normal and started sharing their experiences of witches and me and suzanne looking at each other slightly weirded out and freaked out and we're like what is going on so that was um that was maybe one of the strangest because they're just so in belief they looked like it was like me and suzanne were the weirdest ones for thinking logical and because what did you think it happened i don't know what happened ii had honestly no idea because all as i remember was seeing him walking in with machetes and with a machete you know he was out you must have reflected on it a lot right you must have thought through the whole thing like after and i have trying to figure it out and even me and suzanne suzanne got to a point where she she actually stopped sleeping in her own tent um she was just she was freaked out fully freaked out by all of it and we were in a place where you don't really come across people and you know you look at that where we were and it's a random community that hasn't really been found it's not marked on any gps or map i don't know if it is today but when when we were there in 2015 it wasn't um so it was just an all-round weird experience and it kind of made me think that okay just take my sort of logical sort of scientific thinking out of it and put myself in their footsteps and then i start to think that you know that this tradition must be hundreds of years old with the chicken you know and and why were they also believing in witches or bad spirits or you know and if we were coming across stuff that hasn't been found before we came across all sorts of endemic plant life and wildlife along the way you know i don't know it was just it was just a weird weird situation that when i do put myself out of mind and into their shoes it's fascinating and i like to think you know who knows well i i'm very convinced that we don't know everything yeah very convinced that the mainstream views on topi cs like this don't know everything yeah there's no way we can i don't even know if there's any way we'd ever be able to prove scientifically yeah and things like that so as far i wouldn't mess her up i wouldn't mess with it if i went out there and then telling me there's like ghosts or something or spirits i'd be uh you know i would not feel great about that i don't necessarily know if i would believe it yeah you know just like you said i don't know i would have done the chicken thing probably to i don't know how i would have felt about that but that's that's that's weird that's the surreal that's different isn't it yeah and it's just the way it all looks sort of added up and everything that i said they had an answer to yeah and i was just like wow they've really sort of and there was other stories that people were saying that was similar it was obviously translated to us because they uh yeah it was only max my guide who could speak english um yeah i just remember me and suzanne just j ust taking a moment of being like that's pretty freaky isn't it and i was there saying like are you 100 sure were you having nightmares last night and she was like yeah i can't remember the nightmares but i remember having all being freaked out and the same with either the other guy and i was just like what yeah and that's definitely freaky and you've got to remember like you said they they've had these these beliefs for hundreds maybe longer maybe thousands of years and and what you need to remember as well like what we need to remember as well is that pretty much i think every country on earth or every you know there's always um civilizations tribes whatever it's going to be old cultures with these beliefs that probably if i had the time and energy to go in and like find do the research and compare all of them closely yeah i bet there's loads of similarities i bet there's countries on the other side of the world to that that say the same kind of story like oh you need to take this th is duck or this chicken or whatever yeah and like there's spirits scary stuff but it's just so far beyond what we know yeah i guess it's just fun to speculate yeah and i love that thanks for sharing that yeah no problem and i do love that i love that um that part of traveling you know just because it is it is different you get a glimpse into you know different world where they really believe in something that you in your country don't believe in you know that that's just a great thing and you should never dismiss it you should you should go with an open yeah you don't have to fully believe it but you know embrace it and think about it you know yeah yeah yeah because unless you can prove something 100 didn't you know it's not which you can't yeah you can't prove that 100 so yeah you have to stay like you say open-minded and and interested and yeah just open so yeah it's fascinating though exactly the story yeah um so i'm conscious of the time i don't want to keep you too long let's i di d want to ask you a little bit about like your whole thing on the joe rogan and and what that was like at the time and how that came about yeah man i think we might have to cut it a little bit but let's just have like one or two minutes literally yeah just how did that first come about did he like call you and he's like yo ash are you getting a dm from somebody connected to him or how how what's what's the process yeah so that was when i completed the yangtze it hit global media quite hard it was like bbc world news it was heavy here in the uk with the one show good morning britain and it hit fox news and and other platforms in the us uh so i'm guessing he saw something in the us media um and anyway i had a pr team for when i got back from the yangtze who were working with me for a month and you know their job were to to get it out there as far as possible and they had sent a message to the website um of joe rogans and actually got a response they weren't expecting anything but they go t a response and uh it was a case of one of joe's assistants or one of his agents saying that joe loves the story um and would love ash to to be on the show and i think we got the email back in mid-december or towards the end of december and it was a case of can you fly out to la within the next two weeks it was like whoa of course yes yeah and i'm guessing everything is paid for right i'm guessing flights and no it no it wasn't oh no no it was okay to be here at this date guess too fast yeah no i think with his show because it's such a big reach i don't think he will he'll kill he won't have any costs or anything yeah yeah because he's you know it wow gets out there on a on a huge level doesn't it so yeah very much yeah it's huge especially right now obviously with like the controversy and things like that yeah yeah yeah yeah i've not watched the latest one one or the latest one but the one with um dr mccullough is it uh yeah i don't think i haven't seen i'm not watching recently i'm a bit out of the loop as well so unfortunately we won't be able to have an explosively controversial discussion about it but we'll leave that um but yeah i just thought i'd check with you how it happened i just thought it was interesting whether you've got like a dm off joe like while you're in china or yeah that's cool and it was a good experience right you enjoyed it again yeah i loved it uh even beforehand you know showing around his his man cave it's so cool inside um everyone there that i worked with i bumped into joey diaz as well joey beers oh yeah out just as i was going in you did yeah because i noticed this i was looking at the episode list you were after joey diaz and one before you're in your sandwich robert downey jr and joey diaz that's it yeah what a sandwich yeah such a good minute yeah yeah it's so funny because my my mate is a huge sort of fanboy of joe rogan and he flew out with me um and ii watched his his podcast i listened to a few of them out on the yangtze but i had never heard i know joey diaz but i've never heard one of the podcasts from joey dears anyway joey comes out of the room the room that i'm about to go in the actual studio where they film it uh and straight away he was like hey ash you know shook my hand good luck and my mate's in the green room he's looking from a distance and then afterwards he was like he was grabbing his head saying that was the most wasted handshake ever because he wanted to shake his hand and he was just like do you even know chewy joey i was like yes i do know i do know i've just not seen his podcast but that was just funny how he was so wasted on you but no it was really cool and he was you know just as cool off podcasting as he is on and then he shot me a message instead i think it was only like a couple of days later uh where he'd come out of a restaurant with his wife and he met a group of guys who were raving about my episode with him so that was cool that he shared that with me and i was like oh yeah t hat's so cool yeah that is cool that's nice good experience joey diaz is wild as well joey diaz is like such an outlandish character ludicrous yeah she's very similar it just seems like so much fun like yeah yeah yeah it's just so like crazy stories for like every occasion he seems like he's got as many stories as you even though he definitely has not walked like around the world all that kind of stuff but uh it's just just pure like one of those original gangsters isn't he you can just tell that he has got exactly a lot to talk about a lot today yeah yeah um right ash just to let let's just try try and get this over the finish line i'm going to ask you just if you want to talk about it we don't have to go into it sure just what you're up to now and what your kind of plans are for the the future yeah sure yeah you know i feel like i'm still just getting started i've made some exciting new developments the team's always grown and expanded we're working on the project that it keeps getti ng pushed back the announcement so i've been saying it for a good few months that i should be able to announce within the next month or two fingers crossed but this is a cool project it is for tv as well um and yeah i can't i can't wait to not just yet not just yet soon i should be able to yeah talk more about it um yeah i can't wait to get it get it out there and and to get myself out there yeah so it should be can we name a continent can we name which continent you're going to i know i'm going to keep my mind shut i respect that i respect i try i trust you so big plans basically big plans and yeah soon soon hopefully big plans are soon yeah yeah it's been a nightmare trying to keep it to myself because i really want to talk about it no worries um and so then look to finally get this over then i've got the the final thing for you and it's just if you want to send a message to anybody watching or listening it can be anything at all it can be inspirational it can be words of encourageme nt or it can be something totally different it doesn't have to be any of that um whatever you want to say yeah no i would uh you know i just i hope they hope they've enjoyed the show um and you know i probably i'm probably also tied in with the message that uh because you've got to be very careful with sort of what you talk and how you talk about things and i think sometimes i'll often forget in the hype of a podcast because i'm having so much fun and getting lots of questions that i forget to give you know a good few mentions as to you know how the story connects and how i look at the bigger picture you know so whilst i've been doing a lot of these expeditions um it's easy to forget about sort of courses that i've been working for you know in mongolia i was raising funds for the red cross i was um raising awareness about climate change and the effects it has on on the nomadic way of life madagascar again i was raising awareness for the lima network conservation and all of the good wor k they're doing to protect and preserve all the unique biodiversity on the island and then with china very similar you know partnered with the wwf um to help shout about and raise more awareness on the climate impact out there as well and you know so hopefully the the viewers don't see it as just about one man and his sort of mission and hopefully can can see a bigger bigger picture there but also that there's takeaways in a relatable way you know not that only sounding like i'm encouraging you to go to the jungle and hack through or encourage you to go to the desert but you know maybe there's some methods there that hopefully your audience picks up on for the gobi desert it could be breaking your goals down you know that helped to save my life but that can also help you when you're planning a goal when you're trying to smash out like dissertations for your university you know manage your expectations break it down into little sections um and you know understand that no matter what we work to or towards in life we can't always be motivated but we can be disciplined uh and so hopefully there's some relatable take away messages there as well and you know yeah keep working hard keep grinding stay resilient and uh yeah keep going awesome great message great message very very all-encompassing i love that thank you ash this was this was a lot of fun this was yeah it was great yeah you have so many stories and i mean we might have to do this again at some point to try and scratch the surface a little bit more to get some of these stories because i can just feel that we had like what one percent of uh of your stories but yeah this was wicked and and ii wish you all the best for your next expedition and yeah with everything else yeah i'll keep you posted and uh i'll join on again when i when i'm back we'll do another one awesome thanks ashley take care thanks see you now thanks for listening to the episode with ash dykes i echo what ash said i hope you enjoyed the show pleas e check both ash and us out via the links in the description and please subscribe be nice be happy be cool you